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  • solomon
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2006
    • 1012

    #1

    Defective Life Estate

    Parent wishing to pass residence to children but maintain a life estate. Which in general is better and why - Defective Life Estate or regular Life Estate? Also, is an Intentional Defective Irrevocable Trust the same as a Defective Life Estate. Thanks.
  • veritas
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2005
    • 3290

    #2
    I have not heard of "defective life estate". But I think it is a poor vehicle to use to transfer assets at death.

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    • solomon
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2006
      • 1012

      #3
      Why

      Why is it a poor vehicle - if you have not heard of it. Regarding keeping a residence out of probate and if possible to avoid estate tax as the residence is worth in excess of three million.

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      • veritas
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2005
        • 3290

        #4
        How would it avoid estate tax?

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        • solomon
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2006
          • 1012

          #5
          It Doesn't

          That is the problem. I gather an IDIT would do that but probably not the thing when this is just for a residence. Given the residence were under two million and no estate tax problem, then what would be the alternative to a life estate or a defective life estate?

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          • veritas
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2005
            • 3290

            #6
            The problem with a life estate is it a completed gift at fair market value. No step up in basis at death and no Sec.121 exclusion.

            I did a search and could not find any reference to a "defective life estate".

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            • solomon
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2006
              • 1012

              #7
              Defective

              A defective life estate is not a completed gift until donor dies and it does get a step up basis.

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              • Jan

                #8
                title

                If a taxpayer wants the Estate to avoid Probate and still have the beneficiary get, the step-up base on the property (taxpayer home). What is the best way to hold title to there home?

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                • veritas
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 3290

                  #9
                  Living trust possibly.

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                  • solomon
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 1012

                    #10
                    Quitclaim

                    Quitclaim the residence and retain a life estate - remainderman does get step up on date of death of the life estate retainer.

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                    • jainen
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 2215

                      #11
                      this kind of nonsense

                      >>What is the best way to hold title to their home?<<

                      Solomon, you are asking a legal question on a tax forum. An intentionally defective irrevocable trust is intended to look like an incomplete gift under federal tax laws but a completed gift under state inheritance laws. Whether that is appropriate for a particular family depends on a lot of things other than tax law. So talk to a local attorney who specializes in estates and trusts, and stop reading those magazines that push this kind of nonsense.

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                      • solomon
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 1012

                        #12
                        No Nonsense

                        The Code does cover estates. A defective life estate is not an idit.

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                        • solomon
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 1012

                          #13
                          Jan

                          Regarding your question on best way to pass on a house to a child. What is known as the Enhanced Life Estate Deed is a good way. The remainderman gets step up basis. It also does not have some of the pitfalls of doing this with a quitclaim deed - for example, with a quitclaim one has to get beneficary approval to sell the property. Retainee of Enchanced Life Estate can also sell the property without beneficiary approval and get a Sec. 121 exclusion if desired. Other good things. Problem it is only availabe in a few states - one of which is Texas - that it is why it is also called the Lady Bird Deed. President Johnson utilized this approach and that is why it picked his wife's name as a nickname for it. I believe Florida and Kansas also use it - perhaps a few more states. You can check to see if you are in a state that approves. As mentioned, it is a incomplete gift until retainee's death thus giving step up to beneficiary. It also, one of your concerns, avoids probate.
                          Last edited by solomon; 09-08-2006, 05:55 PM.

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                          • veritas
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 3290

                            #14
                            Originally posted by solomon
                            A defective life estate is not a completed gift until donor dies and it does get a step up basis.

                            I have been told differing opinions on stepped up basis.


                            How about Sec 121 exclusion?

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