biz/pers trip time counting

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  • Gretel
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2005
    • 4008

    #1

    biz/pers trip time counting

    I try to be as clear as I can.

    Employee has to make a trip to go see sister in A. Employer says, great, on your way stop at these three places and also in A. stops at these place.

    I need to figure out if this trip is more biz than personal, don't I? Does it make a difference that she is "send" by employer who will be paying for the trip?

    What exactly is included is "time spend for business"

    - In A.: once she leaves the accommodation all travel time plus time spend at these places, all business?

    - on trip: all time spend going off "regular route", only time spend once leaving the highway?

    I know that all extra mileage is biz but but I really struggle with this time counting. I assume all is based on a 8hr work day? any other hours?

    Am I making this too complicated?
  • BP.
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 1750

    #2
    Originally posted by Gretel
    Am I making this too complicated?
    Maybe. I only say that because of this:

    employer ... will be paying for the trip
    If you still need to allocate for some reason, Pub 17 p. 198 has a few paragraphs and examples. Maybe they'll help.

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    • Gretel
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2005
      • 4008

      #3
      Thanks, BP. However, these examples relate to education expenses.

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      • FEDUKE404
        Senior Member
        • May 2007
        • 3646

        #4
        Confusion reigns

        If it is a business trip, and the employer is paying for the business portions of the trip, what relevance could any unrelated personal diversions/extensions have to do with income taxes? (The employer might have an interest in the expense account for such, however....)

        OTOH, if it is for all intents and purposes a personal trip that is somehow being transmogrified into a business trip, even if by a crafty employer, then the rules are different. BP has provided you info on that aspect.

        FWIW: Your comment that "employee HAS to make a (personal) trip" might be a good starting point.

        FE

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        • Gretel
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2005
          • 4008

          #5
          This is what I was trying to figure out. Everything I read points to actual time spend for business, and if it is over 50% then all travel expenses are deductible (other then expenses directly related to personal time). These are legitimate biz stops. I didn't see anything in what I read that points to intent, which is the main thing in a lot of other business expense evaluation.

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          • BP.
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2005
            • 1750

            #6
            Originally posted by Gretel
            Thanks, BP. However, these examples relate to education expenses.
            OK sorry! Try p. 179, but I think the underlying theory is simliar.

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            • Gretel
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2005
              • 4008

              #7
              Originally posted by BP.
              OK sorry! Try p. 179, but I think the underlying theory is simliar.
              Thanks, I studied that back and forth but it didn't give me what I was looking for.

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