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    TMI date referendum

    The sponsors of this board, the TMI authors and publishers, are confronted with a balancing act that seems to occur in December. I am speaking of the 11th hour Congress and their last-minute tampering with tax laws. In recent years these occurrences have not only been more common, but also more far-reaching in their impact. This year has easily been the worst in memory, and it hasn't been that many years ago it didn't EVER happen.

    This balancing act is predicated upon what we prefer as customers. Getting the book in our hands too early and they miss this last-minute legislation. Getting it to us too late means we do not have the book available when we begin filing taxes. (I did my first 1040 on Jan 3 this year)

    This year there were the most extensive law changes in memory that did NOT make it to publication. Is there any benefit to using this thread to express our opinion about delaying the print? More directly, would you prefer INCLUDING last-minute legislation at the risk of receiving TTB a week later? Or do you support getting TTB by the end of year at the risk of leaving out 11th hour legislation?

    Before rushing to conclusions, please consider the following:
    1) TMI commits to a Dec 1 inclusion date, and no other publication does.
    2) There have been some occasions where the book has included legislation even after December 1, meaning they have often exceeded their commitment to us.
    3) Because withholding tables are effective Jan 1, further postponement by Congress beyond Dec 24 is highly unlikely because these tables will be held hostage. This would seem to defeat an argument that Congress would delay into the following year. (although on a few minor issues, it HAS happened before)
    4) The Tax Update Service and Tax Library greatly circumvents the problems by including last-minute changes even though the printed version has been delivered.

    The poll would look like this:
    A) I would keep the Dec 1 date and prefer receiving the book as currently distributed.
    B) I would slip the date to Dec 20 at the risk of receiving the book 2 weeks later.
    C) TMI would still guarantee the Dec 1 date but leave the inclusion to the discretion of TMI on a year-by-year basis, depending upon how much pending legislation is still ongoing.

    You don't have to be an economic genius to figure out that TMI can live with only one of the above and cannot provide this choice on a customer-by-customer basis. Regardless of how TTB reacts to the challenge of last-minute legislation, we congratulate them for their unparalleled service to those of us who purchase their products.
    Last edited by Corduroy Frog; 02-04-2011, 04:04 AM.

    #2
    Web version

    I'm convinced that the web version is probably the best way to go. They can get it up and running early and keep updating it--so you get the early version and get automatic updates.

    I took the CD version this year, but have become convinced to switch next year. The CD version can also be updated online, but it sometimes takes a while.

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      #3
      TMI Date Referendum

      If it were up to me - I would prefer a later print date that would encompass all of the major 11th hour changes - so the book is the most up to date.

      What good is a book that meets an original print deadline if knowingly it's not up to date?
      Uncle Sam, CPA, EA. ARA, NTPI Fellow

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        #4
        Later

        For the past couple of years, I have been ordering through one of my professional groups (NY/CT-ATP) and picking up at our January tax update meeting. (With this year's storms, the January meeting ending up being canceled and our books mailed, arriving even a couple of days later.) I had always enjoyed and benefited from receiving TTB in December, but have found that I do just fine with the later delivery to receive the subsidized price. So, later delivery to incorporate more last-minute tax laws -- yes, I think that would be my preference.

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          #5
          web and book later

          I find it necessary to have the book and CD or web, which I switched to this year. Having both, it's a nobrainer to me to get a more completed book later.

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            #6
            Hmmm. I would opt for moving the book date to 15 December. I just received my Church and Clergy Tax Guide yesterday because of the late changes. I find that totally unacceptable. I actually prefer the CD however, I do not like the fact that the CD must be in my computer to work. Last year it downloaded into my harddrive and I did not have to have the CD inserted to work. The updates changed the resident information which means I always had updated information readily available whether the Internet connection was up or not. I also dislike the automatic update feature in the CD. I prefer the option of updating at my convenience.

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              #7
              Originally posted by MAMalody View Post
              Hmmm. I would opt for moving the book date to 15 December.
              In which case you would have still missed the updates for this year (December 17).

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                #8
                C

                Option C works best for me

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                  #9
                  The later the better.

                  B B B B

                  I would prefer a later and more complete version. January 1 would suite me just fine.
                  Printing updates can be too time consuming.

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                    #10
                    I'd like to turn the easily updated web product loose Dec 1

                    so I have a resource for tax projections/planning. Sounds like many on this board use the tax book more for post mortem tax compliance so I suppose waiting to January is fine for that. I'm into the tax season in November so I hate to wait. Give me what we know today, and I watch for possible changes.

                    Yeah, I know that Congress keeps showing up late to the dance but we can plan ahead with some options ready to fire depending on what they do.

                    Just my 2 cents.

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                      #11
                      Optional

                      I started the thread but intentionally withheld my choice so as not to bias other opinions. From the comments thus far, it seems we have widespread preferences on the subject.

                      I believe any slippage to the December quandry should be optional on part of the authors/publishers. There are logistic problems that we don't know about and are things that we as customers are not involved in.

                      One such problem we give little thought to is that the authors are practitioners themselves. How many of us spend the last couple weeks in December getting our offices ready for tax season? That's right, virtually all of us. If the authors are practitioners, then they have to spend this time as well. Another consideration although perhaps not important to the rest of us as we enjoy Christmas with our families -- they should have the right to do the same.

                      A better approach, if we could pull it off, would be to allow congressional delays to be felt by the congressmen themselves. They are the people who break Humpty Dumpty, and all the rest of us have to pick up the pieces while they are immune from their own irresponsibility.
                      Last edited by Corduroy Frog; 02-06-2011, 11:06 AM.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Corduroy Frog View Post
                        A better approach, if we could pull it off, would be to allow congressional delays to be felt by the congressmen themselves. They are the people who break Humpty Dumpty, and all the rest of us have to pick up the pieces while they are immune from their own irresponsibility.
                        My thoughts exactly. Only how?

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                          #13
                          Congress

                          I've been telling all my clients to contact their congress people to ask for no tax laws, no tax laws that are retroactive, after 1 October each year to let us taxpayers do year-end planning. I don't have very many clients, and only a fraction will actually take action. But if we all spread the word...

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                            #14
                            An issue date in January would be fine and would be the best as then we would be assured of an updated version.

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                              #15
                              Another option

                              could be to keep an interim, constantly updated, on line version available to purchasers, then hold publication until January.

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