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  • JCH
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2007
    • 207

    #1

    S-corp and basis

    Okay, another S-corp and basis question. I'm hoping someone can help me out. First year S-corp. Net income is around 40k. Distributions and Sec. 179 total about 80k, so retained earning are zero. There's about 100k of cash on the balance sheet at year-end, so I'm wondering where to allocate the remainder in the equity section. Loan from shareholder, APIC or a combination of the two? Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks.
  • BOB W
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2005
    • 4061

    #2
    Originally posted by JCH
    Okay, another S-corp and basis question. I'm hoping someone can help me out. First year S-corp. Net income is around 40k. Distributions and Sec. 179 total about 80k, so retained earning are zero. There's about 100k of cash on the balance sheet at year-end, so I'm wondering where to allocate the remainder in the equity section. Loan from shareholder, APIC or a combination of the two? Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks.
    I need info broken down separately.
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    • Maribeth
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2006
      • 425

      #3
      What is the balance in your common stock & add'l paid-in capital accounts? Do you have any loans from the shareholder already on the books?

      Maribeth

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      • JCH
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 207

        #4
        First year S-corp. Shareholder opened bank account with 175,000. $100 to capital stock.
        Year end bank balance 130,000

        Ordinary income 40,000
        Sec 179 expense 35,000
        Distributions 45,000

        AAA ending balance zero

        Retained earnings (40,000)
        Loans from Shareholder ?
        Capital stock $100
        APIC ?

        Trying to figure out where to allocate the balance in the equity section of Sch L. I appreciate your help.

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        • Maribeth
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2006
          • 425

          #5
          Client opened the bank account with $175,000, with $100 going into common stock. What was the rest of the opening entry?

          Maribeth

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          • JCH
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2007
            • 207

            #6
            Originally posted by Maribeth
            Client opened the bank account with $175,000, with $100 going into common stock. What was the rest of the opening entry?

            Maribeth
            Client uses Quickbooks and does everything herself. I think QB just plugs it to retained earnings automatically. There's no separate entry by the client.

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            • BOB W
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2005
              • 4061

              #7
              Originally posted by JCH
              Client uses Quickbooks and does everything herself. I think QB just plugs it to retained earnings automatically. There's no separate entry by the client.
              You should assume it would go into "loan from officer" (liability section).. (Which has some additional issues)
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              • BOB W
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2005
                • 4061

                #8
                Originally posted by JCH
                First year S-corp. Shareholder opened bank account with 175,000. $100 to capital stock.
                Year end bank balance 130,000

                Ordinary income 40,000
                Sec 179 expense 35,000
                Distributions 45,000

                AAA ending balance zero

                Retained earnings (40,000)
                Loans from Shareholder ?
                Capital stock $100
                APIC ?

                Trying to figure out where to allocate the balance in the equity section of Sch L. I appreciate your help.
                What about Officer Payroll?????
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                • JCH
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 207

                  #9
                  Thank for both responses, Bob. Officer payroll is already accounted for in ordinary income. W-2 issued, so no problem there. I have to impute interest from the loans from shareholder, right? Any other issues with that category of equity?

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                  • BOB W
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2005
                    • 4061

                    #10
                    Originally posted by JCH
                    First year S-corp. Shareholder opened bank account with 175,000. $100 to capital stock.
                    Year end bank balance 130,000

                    Ordinary income 40,000 $5,000 NET PROFIT- AFTER 179 DEDUCTION???
                    Sec 179 expense 35,000 NOT SURE IF THIS IS PART OF THE $40,000
                    Distributions 45,000 MOST WILL GO TO REDUCING LOAN FROM OFFICER

                    AAA ending balance zero

                    Retained earnings (40,000) ZERO
                    Loans from Shareholder ????
                    Capital stock $100 OK
                    APIC ? WHAT IS APIC?

                    Trying to figure out where to allocate the balance in the equity section of Sch L. I appreciate your help.
                    SEE ABOVE NOTES
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                    • JCH
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 207

                      #11
                      I think you answered the question. The remainder goes to Loans from Shareholder. APIC is Additional Paid in Capital (Line 23, Sch. L).

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                      • BOB W
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 4061

                        #12
                        Originally posted by JCH
                        I think you answered the question. The remainder goes to Loans from Shareholder. APIC is Additional Paid in Capital (Line 23, Sch. L).
                        IRS would reclassify Officer Loans to APIC if you don't have a loan agreement between both. The agreement should have a stated interest rate and that interest should be paid annually or at least issue a 1099INT to the shareholder.
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                        • JCH
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 207

                          #13
                          So what's the risk of calling it Additional Paid in Capital as opposed to Loan from Shareholder? Is APIC locked up, whereas Loans from Shareholder are more fluid?

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                          • geekgirldany
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2005
                            • 2359

                            #14
                            I have a client that is in the same position. Has loaned a great deal to the S-corp.

                            Imputed Interest is calculated each year. S-Corp deducts interest while shareholder reports as income.

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                            • BOB W
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2005
                              • 4061

                              #15
                              Originally posted by JCH
                              So what's the risk of calling it Additional Paid in Capital as opposed to Loan from Shareholder? Is APIC locked up, whereas Loans from Shareholder are more fluid?
                              A big time difference..APIC requires a sale of stock.
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