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    Obama Tax Plan

    Here is a link to Obama's plan (I couldn't even find McCain's on his site, so I couldn't post a link):

    As President Obama has said, the change we seek will take longer than one term or one presidency. Real change—big change—takes many years and requires each generation to embrace the obligations and opportunities that come with the title of Citizen.


    I espcially like the expansion of the EITC to "increase the benefits available to noncustodial parents who fulfill thier child support obligations, increase benefits for families with three children or more, and reduce the EITC 'marriage penalty', which hurts low income families". What the h*ll is the EITC marriage penalty? Oh, the fact that your boyfriend/girlfriend doesn't qualifiy you for more of my money!

    Also, the Messiah is going to "simplify tax system so 40 million Americans can do their taxes in less than five minutes" by "consolidating several credits and giving taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return". Let me get this straight, the IRS doesn't know the basis in my stock transactions but wants to calculate my liability.

    Eliminating "manufacturing deductions for oil and gas firms" cause those rich a** oil executives are making too many "excessvie" profits. First, define an "excessive" profit, since the profit margin and ROA of Google, IBM and my own tax practice are greating than that of ExxonMobile, and then tell my clients who are holding gas and oil exploration investments in their IRA's that they are making "excessive" profits.

    Obama's top economic policy director, Jason Furman, was asked by Tom Herman at the Wall Street Journal exactly what Obama means when he says that "no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase". Specifically, Mr. Furman was asked whether the change in tax rates would be effective for those with total incomes above $250k or those with AGI's above $250k. Furman responded that the increased taxes would be on those with AGI's above $250k. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1221...googlenews_wsj

    Wait!!! You're not taxed on your AGI, you're taxed on your TAXABLE INCOME. I can have an AGI of $250,001 and have a taxable income of $125,000. How do you raise my taxes based upon my AGI??? Do these guys even know what they are talking about?

    #2
    I think the marriage penalty is if you file joint, your income is too high for EIC. But each spouse filed on their own with their own income, they would get EIC.
    You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted, then used against you.

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      #3
      Couldn't find McCain's Plan?

      Let me help you out:



      My favorite part is how he will "Stop Earmarks, Pork-Barrel Spending, And Waste"
      However, his running mate might have a hard time with this part with her support of the bridge to nowhere, and after leaving the city of Wasila $20 million in debt.

      I won't bring up the cost of the war...I guess they could fund a few days of it by eliminating the EITC.

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        #4
        Does politics belong on this board?

        Originally posted by JCH View Post
        Let me help you out:



        My favorite part is how he will "Stop Earmarks, Pork-Barrel Spending, And Waste"
        However, his running mate might have a hard time with this part with her support of the bridge to nowhere, and after leaving the city of Wasila $20 million in debt.

        I won't bring up the cost of the war...I guess they could fund a few days of it by eliminating the EITC.
        Since when did we start believing what candidates say when they are trying to get elected?

        Also, last I checked, Congress has a say on these issues.

        I think it would be better if we wait until something actually happens.
        Just because I look dumb does not mean I am not.

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          #5
          Agreed

          Travis, I agree. These topics are revolving around the election and the bailout mess, and have only a smattering of tax relevance. In our defense, these things acutely will effect us, but the bulk of these are ranging from partisan politics to civic lessons. In retrospect, I have been one of the worst offenders, and will clean up my act.

          The earliest time to comment is after specific proposed tax legislation is making its way through the halls. I do think it is relevant once we know someone is actually trying to pass it.

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            #6
            The czar is back`

            And they each get a flogging for tax pandering.

            The company I work for is attempting to figure out what it will cost them if McCain's health care 'plan' goes through since health benefits would be subject to SS & Medicare.

            Glad I'm on the 'become extrememly proficient in canadian tax law in 3 months project' rather than the 'analyze the effects of pandering on a real world situation' project. It seems much easier!

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              #7
              Originally posted by WhiteOleander View Post
              I think the marriage penalty is if you file joint, your income is too high for EIC. But each spouse filed on their own with their own income, they would get EIC.
              Exactly. My brother has a live-in girlfriend who gets EIC. Were he to marry her and file MFJ they'd have a higher total tax liability.

              Personally I don't like the direction he's going where more money is being given based on number of children. I've always felt it's a bad idea to subsidize poor people for reproducing. They're in a bad enough situation as it is and introducing kids to that environment really isn't going to be a long-term solution, you'll just end up with more people who need the government's assistance.

              It is nice that he has his plan available though.

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                #8
                What I have heard Mccain

                say several times is he would cut the corporate tax rate. Secondly he would keep the Bush cuts frm expiring.

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                  #9
                  I hope not.

                  Originally posted by Nashville View Post
                  In our defense, these things acutely will effect us, but the bulk of these are ranging from partisan politics to civic lessons. In retrospect, I have been one of the worst offenders, and will clean up my act.
                  I apologize to you, Nashville and to others who may feel I "stepped on their toes".

                  I certainly DID NOT mean to hurl a stone directly at someone.

                  I would have been better off if I had phrased myself more precisely in my original post.

                  If I had, I would have said something incorporating what Nashville says above; something like: "Well, this obviously does effect us, but we all know 'there's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip.' So, before we all [myself included] start making political pontifications, let's remember why we are here."

                  Nashville, you said it extremely well: "these things acutely will effect us". And, I see absolutely nothing wrong about discussing those sort of things among professionals.
                  Just because I look dumb does not mean I am not.

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                    #10
                    Obama Tax Plan

                    Not relaventt to me as a tax preparer until it becomes law. taxea
                    Believe nothing you have not personally researched and verified.

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                      #11
                      I disagree

                      Originally posted by taxea View Post
                      Not relaventt to me as a tax preparer until it becomes law. taxea
                      As the sole tax "expert" that many of your clients come in contact with it is in your best interest to understand the potential changes to tax law so that you can effectively answer questions from your clients. Unless, of course, your clients never ask you these types of questions, but then you have bigger problems than not wanting to get involved.

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                        #12
                        Besides

                        isn't it our job to bemoan the atrocities imposed upon us?

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                          #13
                          Obama Tax Plan

                          I take very good care of my clients and answer, at no cost to them, questions that pertain to issues they may have. But to go into a lengthy discussion of how Obama's tax plan will affect their return is moot until it becomes law....which it won't because he is an non-issue. taxea
                          Believe nothing you have not personally researched and verified.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by JCH View Post
                            Let me help you out:



                            My favorite part is how he will "Stop Earmarks, Pork-Barrel Spending, And Waste"
                            However, his running mate might have a hard time with this part with her support of the bridge to nowhere, and after leaving the city of Wasila $20 million in debt.

                            I won't bring up the cost of the war...I guess they could fund a few days of it by eliminating the EITC.

                            That last comment pretty much accurately sums up the math!

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                              #15
                              $20m

                              However, his running mate might have a hard time with this part with her support of the bridge to nowhere, and after leaving the city of Wasila $20 million in debt.
                              Not taking sides here, but if memory serves me and I hope it does, I believe the $20M in question was due to a gym that the town of Wasilla wanted, all knew this would be on the books for some time, a vote was taken and approved and they raised the money to pay for this gym through sales tax increase. The voters were in agreement to this.

                              If I'm wrong, I stand corrected!

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