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  • NotEasy
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 374

    #1

    Office Remodling expense

    How should office remodeling expense be depreciated?

    I am thinking Macrs 35 years. Does anyone disagree?

    Is there an alternative to go faster? Possible for the 30% or 50% bonus depreciation?

    Thanks.
  • solomon
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2006
    • 1012

    #2
    Originally posted by NotEasy
    How should office remodeling expense be depreciated?

    I am thinking Macrs 35 years. Does anyone disagree?

    Is there an alternative to go faster? Possible for the 30% or 50% bonus depreciation?

    Thanks.
    If this is commercial, it would be 39 years. Sec. 168 property under the Economic Stimulus Act permits 50% for MACRS with a recovery period of 20 years or less. Section 179 has been raised to 250K. The bonus and 179 are for 2008.
    Last edited by solomon; 07-22-2008, 09:14 PM. Reason: Addition

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    • ChEAr$
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2005
      • 3872

      #3
      not 35 years

      Originally posted by NotEasy
      How should office remodeling expense be depreciated?

      I am thinking Macrs 35 years. Does anyone disagree?

      Is there an alternative to go faster? Possible for the 30% or 50% bonus depreciation?

      Thanks.
      However, what kind of office is this? Is it an owned building? Is it rented from another?
      Is it a home office?

      anyway, never heard of 35 year life; 39 years, yes.
      ChEAr$,
      Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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      • Uncle Sam
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2006
        • 1462

        #4
        Office Remodelng?

        How about Leasehold Improvements amortized over 15 years?
        Uncle Sam, CPA, EA. ARA, NTPI Fellow

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        • NotEasy
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2007
          • 374

          #5
          Originally posted by ChEAr$
          However, what kind of office is this? Is it an owned building? Is it rented from another?
          Is it a home office?

          anyway, never heard of 35 year life; 39 years, yes.
          It is a rental space. But there is no lease.

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          • NotEasy
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2007
            • 374

            #6
            Originally posted by Uncle Sam
            How about Leasehold Improvements amortized over 15 years?
            I remember you can amortize leasehold improvement over the life of the lease. What about if there is no lease? How do you determine the number of years that you should use for the amortization?

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            • S T
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2005
              • 5053

              #7
              Type of

              Just a month to month rental from a third party, not owned by the taxpayer ?
              Taxpayer has a month to month rental agreement?


              Sandy
              Last edited by S T; 07-23-2008, 03:26 AM.

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              • JON
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2005
                • 1265

                #8
                Life of lease

                went away years ago. If you move out then you write off the balance.

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                • ChEAr$
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2005
                  • 3872

                  #9
                  month to month

                  Originally posted by S T
                  Just a month to month rental from a third party, not owned by the taxpayer ?
                  Taxpayer has a month to month rental agreement?


                  Sandy
                  is more common than you might think.

                  Another treatment possibility involves all remodeling payments being treated as
                  additional rent paid, esp if these are improvements to the property itself, versus items
                  such as room dividers, personal properties such as desks, etc. In this case payments
                  are expensed as rent, but landlord, since the improvements are now to his property,
                  adds to basis and depreciates over 39 years.
                  ChEAr$,
                  Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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                  • Davc
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 1088

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ChEAr$
                    is more common than you might think.

                    Another treatment possibility involves all remodeling payments being treated as
                    additional rent paid, esp if these are improvements to the property itself, versus items
                    such as room dividers, personal properties such as desks, etc. In this case payments
                    are expensed as rent, but landlord, since the improvements are now to his property,
                    adds to basis and depreciates over 39 years.
                    I believe that is only an option if the actual cash rent is reduced by the cost of the improvements.

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                    • NotEasy
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 374

                      #11
                      Originally posted by S T
                      Just a month to month rental from a third party, not owned by the taxpayer ?
                      Taxpayer has a month to month rental agreement?


                      Sandy
                      Old lease has expired. And it is month-to-month now without a lease.

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                      • NotEasy
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 374

                        #12
                        Originally posted by JON
                        went away years ago. If you move out then you write off the balance.
                        Sorry I don't get what you said there. Are you answering my question or talking about something else?

                        My question is how many years the remodeling expense should be amortized when there is no lease. Thanks.

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                        • joanmcq
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 1729

                          #13
                          Jon answered your question. The ability to amortize over the life of the lease went away years ago. Leasehold improvements are 15 years.

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                          • ChEAr$
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 3872

                            #14
                            and since there is no lease,

                            Originally posted by joanmcq
                            Jon answered your question. The ability to amortize over the life of the lease went away years ago. Leasehold improvements are 15 years.
                            these expenditures aren' t leasehold improvements! (grin
                            ChEAr$,
                            Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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                            • S T
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2005
                              • 5053

                              #15
                              When

                              When were the remodeling expenses completed? While t/p had the lease or after the t/p went month to month?

                              Not Easy, can you provide more detailed information on this t/p lease or month to month, seems like you are not providing enough information to analyze this t/p situation.

                              Sandy
                              Last edited by S T; 07-23-2008, 11:28 PM.

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