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    Notice of Deficiency

    Short Version - My parents have a Notice of Deficiency and according to the paperwork the choices are either agree totally with the notice and work on how to pay the tax or go to Tax Court. I know there is also the option of paying the tax and going to Superior Court to ask for it back but if we go to Court we will handle it as small matter with request for expedited processing.. What I really want to know is this. I could finish in an hour or two the response to the last letter (explaining why I believe my parents owe no more tax and might be due a refund) and fax it in. I could call the man before I did that. My grounds for the delay that has led to their sending the notice of deficiency is that my father has been having trouble with his legs for which he is facing surgery in August. Until the surgery he has pain and limited mobility and the loss of continence is possible but he won't die. Must we take this to tax court or is there hope in asking the IRS to listen to further arguments?

    Longer Version - When I did my parents' return for 2006 I used a brokerage 1099 dated in March. The broker had always issued a corrected 1099 after the one in March so I waited until 4/15/07 to file the return. However the mail on that date brought a corrected 1099 dated 4/13. I looked it over and found only what seemed to be trivial differences. For one thing some dividend monies had been moved into less heavily taxed categories but we were talking only a few dollars and that did not seem to be worth amending the original return. I also noticed that a few trade dates had been shifted by a couple days, as if the difference was between trade date and settlement date. And one stock transaction said that we had received a few dollars less on the sale than the earlier statement. All in all I thought it was a tempest in a teapot and I took no action. In late Spring of 2008 my parents received a letter out of the IRS office in PA. My parents originally reported just over 100K of income and the IRS wanted 35K of additional tax, penalty, and interest. Then I screwed up massively. I thought it was my parents' 07 return that was being examined so I sent in a POA for that year's return along with a letter that must have made the IRS think I have lost my mind. (The mistake was easy to make because my Father year after year receives dividends from and buys and sells a list of ten or twelve obscure companies, literally none of which have ever shown up on the return of any other client He makes about two thirds of his money doing this and he enjoys it so I do not wish for him to stop.) The IRS wrote back saying (without saying why) that they could not respond to what had been sent to them so they were repeating their demand. Then my Father began to have non life threatening health problems and our family put taxes on the back burner. Dad did call the man who wrote from the IRS without involving me or telling me. I understood from this call that the man wanted copies of both brokerage statements because he apparently had only the last one and that he also wanted what we now believed the Schedule D should have been and he wanted arguments about the dividends. Oh I should have mentioned by now that the original return failed to list a couple of short sales which the IRS was now trying to make regular sales with no basis. Also in case I have not made this clear, in I think three cases the IRS was treating what was actually one sale as two sales because the original return said we sold a given amount of a stock on one date and the only brokerage statement they had showed a sale of exactly the same amount of the same stock a few days later.

    What the IRS Man wanted (as noted above) is in progress on my computer. Is there any point in calling the man and/or in finishing it and faxing it to him? I could do that in an hour or two.
    Last edited by erchess; 07-07-2008, 06:39 PM.

    #2
    Originally posted by erchess View Post
    Short Version - My parents have a Notice of Deficiency and according to the paperwork the choices are either agree totally with the notice and work on how to pay the tax or go to Tax Court. I know there is also the option of paying the tax and going to Superior Court to ask for it back but if we go to Court we will handle it as small matter with request for expedited processing.. What I really want to know is this. I could finish in an hour or two the response to the last letter (explaining why I believe my parents owe no more tax and might be due a refund) and fax it in. I could call the man before I did that. My grounds for the delay that has led to their sending the notice of deficiency is that my father has been having trouble with his legs for which he is facing surgery in August. Until the surgery he has pain and limited mobility and the loss of continence is possible but he won't die. Must we take this to tax court or is there hope in asking the IRS to listen to further arguments?
    A few random thoughts:

    #1 If you pay the tax you will first need to file a claim for refund and then after your claim is denied bring suit in U.S. District Court. Don't even think of doing that!!!

    #2 The 90 day notice is statutory. The reason for your delay is irrelevant. No extension will be granted.

    #3 Yes, there is a good deal of hope you can get the case resolved without filing a petition. Contact the examiner, send in the documentation. If the IRS accepts your response, you will get a letter 3581 telling you to ignore the SND. (It happens all the time). Just make sure you place a mark in your calendar so , in the event the IRS does not accept your response, you don't forget to file on or before the last day noted on the letter.

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      #3
      I have been faced with this

      only it has been clients that I did not do the return...Anyway, enough of my story...What I did was prepare a corrected Schedule D, submit the suporting documents to substantiate the corrected D, and send a letter of explanation...If you are not close to the expiration of the NOD (Notice of Deficiency) then wait and see what happens, I have had luck early on in getting the notice rescinded and a new report showing no tax due...If it gets close and no word from IRS of the corrections...Have your parents file a petition for tax court...It will go the Appeals anyway and you will have a chance to clear it up then...Why pay it if they do not owe it...

      Good Luck!!

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        #4
        Wouldn't you know it would be your parents. I feel for you.
        JG

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          #5
          Who is allowed to practice with the Tax Court?

          My understanding is that the Tax Court has its own procedures for admitting persons to practice with the Tax Court. EA's for example are not necessarily among those whom the Tax Court has admitted to practice with them.

          The suggestion is that your parents might need to locate someone authorized to practice with the Tax Court well in advance of the expiration of the deadline in the 90-day letter (statutory notice of deficiency).

          I am not immediately sure whether an individual taxpayer is allowed to file a petition directly with the Tax Court, or whether that taxpayer MUST be represented. It would probably in any event be wise to be represented, which of course is going to cost money.

          There is a Tax Court website, though I have not consulted that site within the last year or so.

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            #6
            A taxpayer can

            petition and represent themselves before tax court...But a Tax Pro who does not have that designation cannot...


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              #7
              My understanding was

              that a person not recognized to practice before the court IF (as in this case) the controversy involves mo more than 50K in any one year could prepare for the clients' signature a letter requesting expedited handling and then submit on their behalf a brief signed by him or her in which they set forth their position and included whatever documentation they had or thought was necessary. Then someone from the IRS would submit a brief on behalf of the service and three of the judges on the court would read and discuss both briefs and come to a 2-1 or unanimous ruling. It was further my understanding that this decision is final and binding upon both parties and that while a short summary of the case will become public record, the case may not be used as a precedent in arguing other cases before anyone.

              If any of that is false or no longer true I would appreciate correction. Either way, can anyone give me an idea of what the going rate would be for an experienced person who can represent people before the court to handle this case, preferably with expedited handling?

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                #8
                Tax Court Website

                Website for U.S. Tax Court may be found at www.ustaxcourt.gov.

                Information about a petition from a taxpayer, especially about the S case procedure (small tax case, which allows no appeal to other courts), can be found in the article www.ustaxcourt.gov/taxpayer_info_start.htm.

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                  #9
                  Just prepare your response and fax to agent/office handling the case along with POA for correct year. All they want is a correct filing. Leave out all the sappy excuses and give them what they need to close the case.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by erchess View Post
                    If any of that is false or no longer true I would appreciate correction.
                    Some of which you write is definitely false.

                    First, I would re-emphaize what I previously posted as item #3. Keep an eye on the calendar but send in the documenation. It is much more likely than not, you will resolve the case after calling the examiner & faxing in the supporting documentation.

                    To represent a taxpayer, a practitioner must be admitted to practice. Very simple for a lawyer - pay the fee and show you a member of your state bar. Very difficult if you are not a lawyer. Pass the tax court exam (given every other year in Washington,DC - next exam is in November, 2008). Since 1942 about 300 people have passed the exam. Taxpayers can go pro se, i.e. they represent themselves - they are not required to have any professional representation.

                    Cases in which the amount in dispute does not exceed $50K can be heard as "S" cases. These small cases are heard before a single judge and are more relaxed in nature. There are no appeal rights for either the taxpayer or the IRS and thus "S" (summary) cases can not be cited as precedent. As a general procedure (TC Rule 174(c)), briefs are not required.

                    Re: 3 judge decisions - you might be confusing TC with the typical procedure in a Court of Appeals hearing.

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                      #11
                      NYEA is right. But it is likely if you do as myerstax says (and I am doing for several people right now) and just respond to the issues (and FYI, the IRS never has the basis; you do the corrected Sch D to give them that) and keep it short and sweet. I've seen a lot of notices where corrected 1099s are seen as two 1099s rather than corrected. Often if this is the case, pointing out that the problem is corrected forms is enough. Fax in your response.

                      Wait about 30 days (and keep an eye on the calendar) and call and see if the case is being worked. If the case is not resolved by the due date of the petition, your parents can petition tax court themselves. You have POA. The case will first go to an appeals officer, and when your parents receive notice of who the officer is, you contact the officer and get the case closed. The appeals officer's job is to keep the case from going to court. There is no reason to actually go to court on one of these things.

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