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    History of Rebates

    (This is lenghty and some of it is off the top of my head, so if I've misrepresented any of the facts, someone please correct me. If you think I've misrepresented any of the politics or opinions, well we will just have to disagee because I ain't changing my mind)

    I did a little quick research on the history of "Rebates" to try and figure out how this one will play out. (Although past performance is no guarantee of future results) Here is what I came up with:

    1975: Gerald Ford Admin: Rebates of $100 - $200 were sent to each household. There was no repayment, reporting, or other follow-up required.

    2001: George Bush Admin: Rebates of $300 - $600 were sent out as an "Advance Payment" of the anticipated reduction of the lowest tax bracket. Reducing the tax bracket from 15% to 10% meant that every taxpayer saw a reduction of their total tax due by this amount so the government sent it out early as a "stimulus" (as well to buy political favor). It was a bit of a problem because it had to be taken into account on the 2001 return filed in 2002, but the fact is people did get the money. Some were just too financially challenged to understand the math, and it did cause some proiblems for preparers (although I don't recall it being a major issue). Interestingly, we should keep in mind that every household earning more than $15K in taxable income has saved over $300 per taxpayer each and every year since 2001 due to this "Bush Tax Cut".

    2003: George Bush Admin: Rebates of $400 per child. This was also an "Advance Payment" based on the fact that the child tax credit increased from $600 to $1000 per child. Again, it had to be accounted for when the 2003 return was filed, and the same problems surfaced with financially challenged taxpayers, but this time around there was a way to check it on the internet - much less of a problem for preparers who knew how to handle it. It is also interesting to note that every taxpayer who has children has seen a tax reduction of $600 for each child for each and every year since 2003 and for every child born during that period, until the child reached age 17.

    Looking at the history, it's clear that both of the "Rebates" under Bush administrations wer actually "Advance Payments" and had to be reconciled on the following year's tax return. This was not because it was taxable income, but because it was money advanced against a reduction in a future tax liability - almost the same thing as an Advance EIC.

    One might conclude from this history that the current rebate may be handled the same since both previous payments under Bush had to be repaid and should be a cause for consternation (especially if they happen to dislike Bush). However, both of these "Advance Payments" were issued to get money into people's hands in the aftermath of a change in tax rates (or an increase in a credit). Given the circumstances, it was logical and financially proper to account for the "Advance Payments" on the following year's tax return.

    Neither of these situations exist as things are being discussed right now. There is no tax reduction or credit increase on the books, so there's nothing to advance against. So I think that unless Congress decides that the Rebates must somehow be "Repaid" in the future, these rebates will be similar to the Ford rebates. You get the check, and that's the end of it.

    Incidentally, I mentioned the possibility of some future Congressional action to recoup the rebates only because there is also precedent for that. Who remembers the "Tax Surcharge" that showed up on our returns back in the 1960's? You added up your tax liability, then tacked on an extra few percent as a mandatory "tip" to the tax system (more or less like what some restaurants do to your check when your party has 8 or more at the table). And of course, the next election may reward us with a new administration that will reverse all the Kennedy, Reagan, and Bush tax cuts, hiking tax rates so much that we will long for the good old days when the biggest problem was explaining the AMT to a few of our clients..
    Last edited by JohnH; 01-26-2008, 01:16 PM.
    "The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectful" - John Kenneth Galbraith

    #2
    This is where the $300 per child will affect divorced/unmarried couples. If the credit will go to the person claiming the child this year, will we have mom/dad more reluctant to sign the Form 8332?

    Does anyone else remember when one parent got the rebate check and the other parent was ticked because they thought they should still get the $1,000 instead of only $600?


    "2003: George Bush Admin: Rebates of $400 per child. This was also an "Advance Payment" based on the fact that the child tax credit increased from $600 to $1000 per child. Again, it had to be accounted for when the 2003 return was filed, and the same problems surfaced with financially challenged taxpayers, but this time around there was a way to check it on the internet - much less of a problem for preparers who knew how to handle it. It is also interesting to note that every taxpayer who has children has seen a tax reduction of $600 for each child for each and every year since 2003 and for every child born during that period, until the child reached age 17."
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      #3
      I only disagree with you on two points

      1 I do remember the first Bush Rebates as a huge big deal in my life. The problem was that my employer and the IRS were telling everyone that recording the rebates on your return did not lower your refund. (To me that statement is not true if entering the rebate on the return makes the bottom line less favorable to the taxpayer.) I believed and repeated the company line until I forced myself to take some actual returns and compare them with and without the rebates. Of course the bottom lines with the rebates were less to the liking of the taxpayers than the bottom lines without the rebates. I was so angry that I almost quit as an office manager right in the middle of tax season. I used the employee complaint system to email corporate headquarters and told the representative that the company and the IRS were lying to me and to the public. I got back the same BS I had been getting but I was not fired and as far as I know my immediate supervisors were never told of my complaint. I ended up losing at least six good clients over this issue. I lost some even after I started explaining that the rebates had been an advance payment of some or all of their refunds. I am sufficiently concerned about the situation that I have written to my US Representative and both Senators urging them to see that the upcoming payments are not reportable. I am also going to keep my ear to the ground so that I will know what is really happening and will be able to tell my clients the truth from before they start asking until the whole mess blows over.

      2. As strange as it may seem, I do not remember the second Bush rebates at all. I think that is because I was temporarily out of this business in 04 and prepared only my return and my parents' return, and neither of us was affected. I did my continuing education because I thought that I might wish to come back and I eventually did. But naturally I focused on issues that applied to the returns I was actually going to do.

      Anyway John, thank you for your post.
      Last edited by erchess; 01-26-2008, 02:08 PM.

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        #4
        Effect of Recording the Earlier Rebates on the Return

        I understand the frustration you must have felt in trying to explain that to people, but technically speaking recording the rebates on the returns did not decrease people's refunds. It changed the math while the return was in the process of worked up, but it did not actually reduce the refund they were due because without the rebate the return was not correctly prepared.

        Leaving off the rebate would be no different than recording the wrong withholding when entering the data. Let's say I erroneusly enter $600 more in withholding than is showing on the W-2 and tell the client he has a $2,400 refund before checking my math. Then I catch my error - now I have to tell him his refund is only $1,800. Did recording the correct info lower his refund? As far as the client is concerned it certainly did, but as far as the facts are concerned I just gave him erroneous info when I hastily revealed the $2,400 refund.

        The situation on the 2001 & 2003 returns was no different, except the sequence in arriving at the math was reversed. The anwer to the client at that time was "The rebate didn't reduce your refund - you got it and already spent it before you came in here to get your return prepared. And that's what you were supposed to do - thanks for stimulating the economy."
        Last edited by JohnH; 01-26-2008, 02:41 PM.
        "The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectful" - John Kenneth Galbraith

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          #5
          You're right

          You are correct. The Rate Reduction Credit was a credit the taxpayer took if they did not receive the Advance Payment. I should have looked that up before responding. Thanks for the correction.
          Last edited by JohnH; 01-26-2008, 06:43 PM.
          "The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectful" - John Kenneth Galbraith

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