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  • Kram BergGold
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2006
    • 2112

    #1

    EIN and LLC

    In March my client converted her Schedule C business into an LLC. We will be treating the LLC as a disregarded entity. So from past discussions about this, I will prepare only one Schedule C for 2007 covering the period Jan-Dec. I assume I should enter the LLC's EIN in item D on Schedule C (the old Schedule C business did not have an EIN). When I prepare the 1099 Forms for her independent contractors do I use her SS # or the EIN for the LLC as the payor's ID #?
  • Bees Knees
    Senior Member
    • May 2005
    • 5456

    #2
    Use the new EIN for the LLC for item D on Schedule C, and for all 1099s.

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    • John of PA
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2005
      • 1104

      #3
      a second EIN

      IRS may soon be requiring SMLLC's, if they have a payroll, to have a second EIN just for the payroll. But there is much confusion on this and I would cross that bridge when we come to it.

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      • veritas
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2005
        • 3290

        #4
        I would

        have all schedule C owners apply for an EIN. I don't want to put their social security number on a 1099 going who knows where.

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        • newbie
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2006
          • 333

          #5
          Originally posted by John of PA
          IRS may soon be requiring SMLLC's, if they have a payroll, to have a second EIN just for the payroll. But there is much confusion on this and I would cross that bridge when we come to it.
          This still confuses me - to many numbers floating around out there, if a SMLLC has payroll what is the purpose of having one FEIN for the LLC and one FEIN for payroll?

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          • Bees Knees
            Senior Member
            • May 2005
            • 5456

            #6
            Originally posted by newbie
            This still confuses me - to many numbers floating around out there, if a SMLLC has payroll what is the purpose of having one FEIN for the LLC and one FEIN for payroll?

            To keep the rules complicated.

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            • joanmcq
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2007
              • 1729

              #7
              Second EIN I could see if first EIN was for ABC biz and second was for ABC, LLC.

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              • Kram BergGold
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2006
                • 2112

                #8
                Reason for 2 EIN's and LLC

                The first EIN is for the LLC. The second is for the owner to be used for payroll. The IRS wants the owner to be personally liable for a disregarded entity.

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                • les grans
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2007
                  • 155

                  #9
                  Was there a court case?

                  I think that this question went to court already (several years ago) and - much surprise here! - depending on how the proprietor/LLC owner filled out the SS-4, the owner might be found liable for the PR taxes anyway...

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                  • Bees Knees
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2005
                    • 5456

                    #10
                    Originally posted by les grans
                    I think that this question went to court already (several years ago) and - much surprise here! - depending on how the proprietor/LLC owner filled out the SS-4, the owner might be found liable for the PR taxes anyway...

                    The single member owner of an LLC IS liable for payroll taxes, regardless of whether there is one or two EINs. I read that court case too.

                    Having two EINs is not needed.

                    I stand by my comment. The only reason to have two EINs is so that the rules can be more complicated.

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                    • John of PA
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 1104

                      #11
                      Excise Taxes are coming

                      What is on the horizon is Federal level Excise taxes on LLC's. Congress/IRS wants a separate EIN for payroll vs other Federal Reporting (Excise taxes). They are moving slowly on this, but 10 years from now we will look back and say "what happen", the LLC scene will have totally changed.

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