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    #31
    Originally posted by rbynaker View Post
    how is Sally SmallBusinessOwner going to know what to report on the W-2?

    I'm interested in if Sally VERYSmallBusinessOwner will realize that she is not subject to the Fair Labor Standards Act , and therefore this doesn't apply. And/or when she find out that because she isn't subject to the Fair Labor Standards Act, she stops paying time-and-a-half for over 40 hours a week (although subject to state laws).

    I have one client that falls into this. His business is only in operation for an EXTREMELY short time each year, so his business income and actions are not subject to the Fair Labor Standards Act. During that very short business time, his employees work well over 40 hours a week. The employees are not going to be happy when they find out their overtime is still fully taxable.

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      #32
      Originally posted by New York Enrolled Agent View Post
      it is necessary for the employer to calculate the “regular rate” as defined in 207(e) and then divide by 40.
      Why would you do that? Nowhere does the law say to take the regular rate and divide it by 40. The only reason one would think that is if they believe that the regular rate is weekly and not hourly.

      Even if you believe regular means weekly, there's still no reason to divide by 40 because the law says "regular rate" not "regular rate divided by 40". I have clients who are paid a monthly salary. Should I take their regular rate of $5,000/month and divide it by 40? Union contracts specifically state an hourly rate, not a weekly rate. Do I divide that hourly regular rate as clearly defined by the contract and divide it by 40?


      Originally posted by New York Enrolled Agent View Post
      That subsection says for example “regular rate” would not include extra money for working on a Sunday.
      ​What it exactly says is:
      (6) extra compensation provided by a premium rate paid for work by the employee on Saturdays, Sundays, holidays, or regular days of rest, or on the sixth or seventh day of the workweek, where such premium rate is not less than one and one-half times the rate established in good faith for like work performed in nonovertime hours on other days;​ (https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-2...-usc-sect-207/)

      And the regular rate to determine the premium rate is hourly, not weekly.


      Originally posted by New York Enrolled Agent View Post
      So if the TP has $800 in total remuneration (regular rate as defined)
      ​​Where is the regular rate defined that way?


      Originally posted by New York Enrolled Agent View Post
      then his/her regular rate of pay is $20 per hour
      ​​​Exactly, his regular rate is $20/hour, not $800/wk.


      Originally posted by New York Enrolled Agent View Post
      TP works 5 hours of OT for a total of $150. What’s the excess of remuneration over the regular rate as defined? Still seems like $150.
      ​​​​ Not only does it still seem like $50, the law still defines it as $50.

      https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-con ... ill/1/text
      (c) Qualified Overtime Compensation.--
      (1) In general.--For purposes of this section, the term `qualified overtime compensation' means overtime compensation paid to an individual required under section 7 of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 that is in excess of the regular rate (as used in such section) at which such individual is employed.

      https://codes.findlaw.com/us/title-29-l ... -sect-207/
      shall not be deemed to include--
      (5) extra compensation provided by a premium rate paid for certain hours worked by the employee in any day or workweek because such hours are hours worked in excess of eight in a day or in excess of the maximum workweek applicable to such employee under subsection (a) or in excess of the employee's normal working hours or regular working hours, as the case may be;
      (6) extra compensation provided by a premium rate . . .
      (7) extra compensation provided by a premium rate . . .

      "Extra compensation provided by a premium rate" is the 50% premium of OT pay, not the full $150% OT rate.
      "Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society." ~ Mark Skousen

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        #33

        Why would you do that? Nowhere does the law say to take the regular rate and divide it by 40. The only reason one would think that is if they believe that the regular rate is weekly and not hourly.

        Even if you believe regular means weekly, there's still no reason to divide by 40 because the law says "regular rate" not "regular rate divided by 40". I have clients who are paid a monthly salary. Should I take their regular rate of $5,000/month and divide it by 40?


        U.S. Department of Labor Fact Sheet 56A [note the FS uses the division symbol but it didn't produce on TB site - I replaced symbol by divided by]

        The formula to compute the regular rate is:

        Total compensation in the workweek (except for statutory exclusions)
        divided by Total hours worked in the workweek = Regular Rate for the workweek
        Last edited by New York Enrolled Agent; Today, 09:08 AM.

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          #34
          Jumping on this late...

          Overtime calculations...

          Why would we change anything on the W2? All income reports normal/ot/tips/etc.

          Then we reference a yearend paystub for the "overtime" line and use that number as a deduction on the 1040.

          Chris

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            #35
            Do we know the professions excluded from OT / Tips?

            Chris

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              #36
              Originally posted by spanel View Post
              Jumping on this late...

              Overtime calculations...

              Why would we change anything on the W2? All income reports normal/ot/tips/etc.

              Then we reference a yearend paystub for the "overtime" line and use that number as a deduction on the 1040.

              Chris
              Well, it's required to be reported as a line item on W-2. First year has: (h) Transition rule.—In the case of qualified overtime compensation required to be reported for periods before January 1, 2026, persons required to file returns or statements under section 6051(a)(19), 6041(a), or 6041(d)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (as amended by this section) may approximate a separate accounting of amounts designated as qualified overtime compensation by any reasonable method specified by the Secretary.

              Hopefully the payroll companies will get it right, but I have my doubts about those using PayChex.

              Small companies that prepare payroll and W-2's in house may have some that report the full overtime pay on W2 rather than just the premium, assuming the premium is what ends up being a deduction.

              Even worse, is the law prescribes withholding be adjusted beginning in 2026 to account for the OT.

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