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    IP PIN issues for a resident of California

    This week I efiled a simple Form 1040 for the college age daughter of a client. Both have been living in southern California for several years.

    The IRS rejected the federal return (Rule Number: IND-181-01​) due to the absence of an IP PIN. (The CA return was immediately accepted.)

    Both parent and daughter have no knowledge of and/or requesting an IP PIN. The student's 2023 federal / state tax returns had no IP PIN and were successfully efiled by me.

    I know in the past some regions of the US had IP PIN numbers automatically issued due to high levels of fraudulent tax returns being filed.

    Other than possible "bad memory" concerns, what might be going on here? I would think fraudulently obtaining an IP PIN would be. . .difficult.

    The matter is totally out of my hands, but I thought someone closer to the Pacific Ocean than I might have some insight and/or suggestions related to the problem.

    (Yes, I have read the IRS link for obtaining a replacement IP PIN.)

    Thanks in advance!

    FE

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    I don't think the state they live in has anything to do with it. Per an IRS powerpoint slide,

    • Some clients may not know they have an IP PIN due to an identity theft issue.
    • IP PIN is not sent if their address cannot be confirmed.
    • Clients can use the Get an IP PIN tool to get their current year IP PIN.
    • You or your client can call our toll-free number to request their IP PIN be sent to their address.​
    "I know in the past some regions of the US had IP PIN numbers automatically issued due to high levels of fraudulent tax returns being filed."

    Hmm. I don't recall ever reading about that, and I follow a number of tax pro news feeds and forums, so I think it would have shown up if an official policy.
    "You said it, they'll never know the difference. Come on, we'll paint our way out!" - Moe Howard
    "That's enough! When you didn't know what you were talking about, you really had something! [to Curly]" -Moe Howard    ​

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      #3
      Originally posted by Rapid Robert View Post
      I don't think the state they live in has anything to do with it. Per an IRS powerpoint slide,



      "I know in the past some regions of the US had IP PIN numbers automatically issued due to high levels of fraudulent tax returns being filed."

      Hmm. I don't recall ever reading about that, and I follow a number of tax pro news feeds and forums, so I think it would have shown up if an official policy.
      I am already aware of the retrieval options for an IP PIN replacement.
      My main concern is what is the possibility that fraud has occurred. (Neither parent nor dependent even knew what an IP PIN is. . .)
      As for the "automatic" sending of IP PINs, to the best of my memory, several years ago trial programs were established in FL? AL? or thereabouts. Maybe the IRS just "strongly urged" certain persons to obtain an IP PIN. Not on my radar screen at that time, so I could easily be in error.

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        #4
        Instead of being concerned why not just check to see if daughter or client was issued a pin. I have clients who denied ever asking for a pin, but low and behold they have one

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          #5
          Originally posted by terryats View Post
          Instead of being concerned why not just check to see if daughter or client was issued a pin. I have clients who denied ever asking for a pin, but low and behold they have one
          Parent / daughter totally disavow any knowledge of requesting a 2024 IP PIN when plainly there was no 2023 IP PIN for either.
          For reasons totally unknown, the facts (rejected 2024 federal only efile) would strongly indicate a number is out there somewhere.
          Unless getting the number / re-issuance of same online is an option for me, I have no intention of extended listening to IRS elevator music at this time of year. (Truth in fact -- NEVER!)
          I have provided the individual with the available IRS contact information. The ball is in their court.

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            Student has now provided me with an IP PTIN and the federal tax return has been successfully efiled.
            I know nothing further about the history of same, and that's probably a good thing!
            Thanks to all for their helpful comments.

            FE

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