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  • MRPLOW
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 118

    #1

    MFS to MFJ, to claim stimulus.

    Is there anything preventing a Married couple with 2 children (Husband makes $175,000 and wife makes $5,000) that is over the phase-out limit for the 3rd-stimulus, from filing MFS and putting the children on the wife's return to receive the the 3rd-stimulus of $4,200 ($1400 x 3) for her and 2 children. Then amend return's at a later date back to MFJ, and keep the stimulus of $4,200.

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    Last edited by MRPLOW; 03-31-2021, 03:01 PM.
  • BOB W
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2005
    • 4061

    #2
    I've heard of people doing it. It was even published in newspapers and on the internet. I've never been approached by client but if they did ask I'd say I won't process their return.
    This post is for discussion purposes only and should be verified with other sources before actual use.

    Many times I post additional info on the post, Click on "message board" for updated content.

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    • Twin Turbo Z
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2014
      • 372

      #3
      Or reconcile it in 2022 when doing 2021 taxes. Save the hassle of amending.

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      • MRPLOW
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2009
        • 118

        #4
        Originally posted by Twin Turbo Z
        Or reconcile it in 2022 when doing 2021 taxes. Save the hassle of amending.
        This is NOT a reconcile. There is a huge MFS penalty on the 2020 return, but ultimately this will wash out, after they amend back to MFJ in 6-months. Bonus, they now have a $4,200 stimulus check. They won't qualify for a RRC/stimulus on the 2021 return.

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        • Dude
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2018
          • 360

          #5
          kind of like focusing on the Free Food sign while ignoring the lion sitting next to it....
          "Dude, you are correct" Rapid Robert

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          • ATSMAN
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2013
            • 2415

            #6
            DIY folks can play all those games BUT I am not playing that. I have been approached to amend tax returns to take dependent children out and file the children with their own exemptions and I am not doing it. IRS will catch on to these schemes real quick and I am not risking my PTIN and EFIN.
            Taxes after all are the dues that we pay for the privileges of membership in an organized society. - FDR

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            • Lion
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2005
              • 4698

              #7
              Taking a child who is a dependent and claiming he is not is wrong. A married couple defaulting to MFS instead of choosing to file MFJ is perfectly fine; in fact, it's the only way to file unless both agree to file MFJ.

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              • BOB W
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2005
                • 4061

                #8
                Originally posted by Lion
                Taking a child who is a dependent and claiming he is not is wrong. A married couple defaulting to MFS instead of choosing to file MFJ is perfectly fine; in fact, it's the only way to file unless both agree to file MFJ.
                Are you saying it is OK to file MFS just to get the extra stimulus?
                This post is for discussion purposes only and should be verified with other sources before actual use.

                Many times I post additional info on the post, Click on "message board" for updated content.

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                • Lion
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 4698

                  #9
                  Of course. However, the higher MFS tax rates and paying for two sets of returns and losing some credits not available to MFS will make it necessary to run the numbers to find the most beneficial filing status. I always compare MFS vs MFJ, but this year it's made a difference more than usual. You can always report the least amount of tax liability that's legal. For instance, don't you look at depreciation: SL vs MACRS vs 179 vs bonus depending on what's best for your client this year &/or what will help them over time?
                  Last edited by Lion; 04-01-2021, 02:36 PM.

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                  • Anarchrist
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 353

                    #10
                    Are you saying it is OK to file MFS just to get the extra stimulus?
                    Yes, of course. It's perfectly fine to take advantage of the unintended consequences of idiotic laws.

                    "Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society." ~ Mark Skousen

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                    • Lion
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2005
                      • 4698

                      #11
                      That's how we got backdoor Roths!

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                      • DoubleO
                        Member
                        • Feb 2020
                        • 81

                        #12
                        The problem I have with the OP is amending later to MFJ. I would not do the amendment.

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                        • Rapid Robert
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2015
                          • 1983

                          #13
                          Originally posted by MRPLOW
                          Bonus, they now have a $4,200 stimulus check. .
                          What's your cut?

                          "You said it, they'll never know the difference. Come on, we'll paint our way out!" - Moe Howard
                          "That's enough! When you didn't know what you were talking about, you really had something! [to Curly]" -Moe Howard

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                          • Twin Turbo Z
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2014
                            • 372

                            #14
                            I know with "Our Railroad" , We had one similar to the OP situation. They were filed way before the bill was passed. The spouse, who saw all the crap online about amending, called and wanted us to amend. I said we will "RECONCILE" it on 2021's filing. Told them, if thats an issue I will give you Plowman's number. Sorry MrPlow's number. He will fix you up. I imagine it will be fall of 2022 before any amended returns see that amended money !! If then !! Dont take offense, just joking with you Plowman. You drive that train how you see fit Casey !!

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                            • TAXNJ
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 2106

                              #15
                              Those reply posters who oppose what the Original Poster is recommending, can you cite if it is illegal?

                              Whereas, the Original Poster and the reply posters below indicate it is not.


                              Originally posted by Anarchrist
                              Yes, of course. It's perfectly fine to take advantage of the unintended consequences of idiotic laws.

                              Originally posted by Lion
                              You can always report the least amount of tax liability that's legal. For instance, don't you look at depreciation: SL vs MACRS vs 179 vs bonus depending on what's best for your client this year &/or what will help them over time?


                              One can legally avoid tax but not EVADE.

                              Always cite your source for support to defend your opinion

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