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  • Special Touch
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2020
    • 2

    #1

    Schedule E Rental Property

    Tax Client wants to deduct medical costs incurred by a repair man while working on rental property. The workmans compensation insurance was not in force at the time of injury. The tax client become liable for the medical costs. Is this an allowable expense to take on the Schedule E?
  • Uncle Sam
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2006
    • 1462

    #2
    You haven't stated whether the repairman is an employee of the rental property or an outside contractor. Or what type of other insurance coverage there is.
    Uncle Sam, CPA, EA. ARA, NTPI Fellow

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    • Rapid Robert
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2015
      • 1983

      #3
      Originally posted by Special Touch
      Tax Client wants to deduct medical costs incurred by a repair man
      No, the taxpayer cannot take a business (including rental) expense deduction for medical costs incurred by a vendor.

      Originally posted by Special Touch
      The tax client become liable for the medical costs.
      What event triggered this liability? What is the nature of the liability? Contractual? Result of a civil court action? Did the taxpayer have an agreement of some kind with the provider of the medical services (the one billing these costs)?


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      • ATSMAN
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2013
        • 2415

        #4
        I am not sure if this example helps but I had a client with a rental unit who got sued by a plumber because the occupant's dog bit him. He was forced to hire a lawyer and settle out of court with the plumber and property insurance co. The legal fees were a deduction on Sch E.
        Taxes after all are the dues that we pay for the privileges of membership in an organized society. - FDR

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        • sami
          Member
          • Apr 2017
          • 78

          #5
          It is probably not deducted as medical expense but maybe the settlement amount the landlord paid out of pocket might be a deduction. If the landlord's property insurance did not cover it.

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          • Special Touch
            Junior Member
            • Jun 2020
            • 2

            #6
            The constuction man sued the property owner for his medical cost, as the property owner did not have workman's compensation in place and the repair man did not have health care coverage. Settlement was reached with the plaintiff receiving $117,500.00.

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            • TAXNJ
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2007
              • 2106

              #7
              Originally posted by Special Touch
              The constuction man sued the property owner for his medical cost, as the property owner did not have workman's compensation in place and the repair man did not have health care coverage. Settlement was reached with the plaintiff receiving $117,500.00.
              Where have you researched so far so not to repeat your research?

              Have you looked in TheTax Book?
              Always cite your source for support to defend your opinion

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              • ATSMAN
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2013
                • 2415

                #8
                Originally posted by Special Touch
                The constuction man sued the property owner for his medical cost, as the property owner did not have workman's compensation in place and the repair man did not have health care coverage. Settlement was reached with the plaintiff receiving $117,500.00.
                Was the construction man an employee of the property owner? If not then there is no law that says that workman's comp is required.

                Did the property owner have general liability insurance?

                If the construction man was an independent contractor, did the property owner check if he was licensed and insured?

                If a settlement to a lawsuit against the property owner was reached then see my post above. It was deducted as legal expenses not as medical expenses.
                Taxes after all are the dues that we pay for the privileges of membership in an organized society. - FDR

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                • TAXNJ
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 2106

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ATSMAN

                  .....If a settlement to a lawsuit against the property owner was reached then see my post above. It was deducted as legal expenses not as medical expenses.
                  Should the Original Poster base their decision reference on the tax return you prepared or do you have a code reference for support for any deduction?
                  Always cite your source for support to defend your opinion

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                  • ATSMAN
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2013
                    • 2415

                    #10
                    Originally posted by TAXNJ

                    Should the Original Poster base their decision reference on the tax return you prepared or do you have a code reference for support for any deduction?
                    Let the OP decide how to handle this. I am just giving an example of a situation I had to deal with.
                    Taxes after all are the dues that we pay for the privileges of membership in an organized society. - FDR

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                    • Rapid Robert
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2015
                      • 1983

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ATSMAN
                      Was the construction man an employee of the property owner?
                      Probably was an employee but mis-classified by the taxpayer. OP said "repair man", not construction man, it makes a difference as to whether expense is ordinary or capital.

                      Originally posted by ATSMAN
                      If a settlement to a lawsuit against the property owner was reached then see my post above. It was deducted as legal expenses not as medical expenses.
                      Legal fees are paid to an attorney for providing a service. A lawsuit settlement is not a "legal fee" or "legal expense". PLR-121178-13 provides some support for the settlement (but not punitive damages, if any) being an ordinary/necessary business expense. (If the settlement was related to a capital project, it would have to be a capitalized expense).
                      Last edited by Rapid Robert; 06-22-2020, 05:18 PM.
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