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  • Lantis
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2015
    • 5

    #1

    Gambling Winnings and No Sched A

    My client has $1,200 in gambling winnings but not enough deductions for a Shed A. Is there any other way to off set the winnings as income?
  • MBTS
    Junior Member
    • Apr 2015
    • 12

    #2
    From all that I've read, No.

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    • mastertaxguy
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2013
      • 408

      #3
      session losses

      1. Possibly session losses may reduce the winnings.
      2. See the TTB update for an item about proposed IRS procedure on session losses.
      Friends double; family triple. Don't buy an audit for yourself. If someone has to go to jail make sure it is the client. Remember it is only taxes, nothing important.

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      • TAXNJ
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2007
        • 2106

        #4
        Schedule A

        Originally posted by Lantis
        My client has $1,200 in gambling winnings but not enough deductions for a Shed A. Is there any other way to off set the winnings as income?
        See Schedule A instructions.

        Also if Professional Gambler refer to the TTB and/or the IRS site
        Always cite your source for support to defend your opinion

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        • TAXNJ
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2007
          • 2106

          #5
          INFO ON PROFESSIONAL GAMBLERS for the future

          Originally posted by TAXNJ
          See Schedule A instructions.

          Also if Professional Gambler refer to the TTB and/or the IRS site
          hopefully you can open this link:

          LegalMatch points out why gambling earnings are referred to as taxable income. Read related facts here or consult a tax lawyer by entering this
          Always cite your source for support to defend your opinion

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          • DonB
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 281

            #6
            See a problem?

            Originally posted by TAXNJ
            From this link: "Non-Professional: For individual taxpayers who are not professional gamblers, gambling losses are miscellaneous itemized deductions subject to a 2% adjusted gross income (AGI) limitation." They got this one wrong!!

            "While there are various tax preparation companies and software programs on the market that may help you with your tax questions, they cannot provide the same level of service that an experienced and knowledgeable tax attorney can."

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            • DonB
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2011
              • 281

              #7
              Session Losses

              IMO the session loss method is impossible to back up for the average casual gambler. One would need a detailed diary for every session during the tax year. Has anyone seen a gambling diary from a non-professional gambler?

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              • TAXNJ
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2007
                • 2106

                #8
                Correct - NO FREE LUNCH

                Originally posted by DonB
                From this link: "Non-Professional: For individual taxpayers who are not professional gamblers, gambling losses are miscellaneous itemized deductions subject to a 2% adjusted gross income (AGI) limitation." They got this one wrong!!


                CORRECT - Just found the author's site and e-mailed the author about their article. So much for FREE advice. Always have to watch out for that [I]"no free lunch".
                It pays to do your own research.


                As far as:

                "While there are various tax preparation companies and software programs on the market that may help you with your tax questions, they cannot provide the same level of service that an experienced and knowledgeable tax attorney can."
                You should also include "experienced and knowledgeable" Accountants and Preparers

                HERE IS A BETTER REFERENCE:
                Last edited by TAXNJ; 04-18-2015, 12:19 PM.
                Always cite your source for support to defend your opinion

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                • David1980
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 1703

                  #9
                  Originally posted by DonB
                  IMO the session loss method is impossible to back up for the average casual gambler. One would need a detailed diary for every session during the tax year. Has anyone seen a gambling diary from a non-professional gambler?
                  Yeah, I've seen one for a slots player.

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                  • Jiggers
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 1973

                    #10
                    Check out "Shollenberger v. Commissioner" and "Chief Counsel Memorandum 2008-011". Also the new proposed regs implementing the procedures mentioned in these two.

                    The key is the annual detailed report from the casino.

                    You have to do a worksheet that shows the winnings per day, the losses per day. You can't deduct the losses on days that you have a net loss. You do have to report the days with winnings in excess of losses. In other words, you can't just report the W-2G.

                    The other alternative is to just report the W-2G.
                    Jiggers, EA

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                    • TAXNJ
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 2106

                      #11
                      Jigger Good research

                      Originally posted by Jiggers
                      Check out "Shollenberger v. Commissioner" and "Chief Counsel Memorandum 2008-011". Also the new proposed regs implementing the procedures mentioned in these two.

                      The key is the annual detailed report from the casino.

                      You have to do a worksheet that shows the winnings per day, the losses per day. You can't deduct the losses on days that you have a net loss. You do have to report the days with winnings in excess of losses. In other words, you can't just report the W-2G.

                      The other alternative is to just report the W-2G.
                      Jigger, good research. Interesting court decision. The importance of documentation, documentation

                      Always cite your source for support to defend your opinion

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