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    Additional 1041 Question

    In a previous post I mentioned the condo that was rented through 2008 in an irrevocable trust. Then when the grantor, who was the tenant died it could no longer be rented due to condo rules. In 2009 through 2012 (it was sold in 2012) it sat vacant. No one ever stayed there. In those years the two sons were paying the condo expenses from their funds. They each deducted the real estate taxes on Schedule A of their 1040 returns. They did not file trust returns as the trust had no income. To me, this property was investment property, so in 2012 they should claim all non sale, condo expenses that they paid as investment expenses subject to 2% on
    Form 1041. This will help offset some of the gain from the sale. They are concerned that this is not right, since they deducted the real estate taxes on their own Schedule A's in past years. I don't think that precludes them from claiming Trust expenses on Form 1041 in 2012. Deducting such expenses in 2009-2011 would have accomplished notihng as there was no income and investment expenses can't generate an NOL. I think I remember reading somewhere that a Trust can deduct expenses paid by the benificiary when the Trust has no money. What do you think?

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    What are trust's distribution rules?

    In particular, what will happen to the proceeds? Do they stay in the trust or go to the beneficiaries? Also, I wonder if you might be able to capitalize the expenses.
    Evan Appelman, EA

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      #3
      Trust terminates

      The trust terminated upon the sale. The benificiaries got the proceeds. Most of the fix up costs were paid in 2011, so I added to basis the cost of new carpeting but the cost of painting is just useless. However, in 2012 there are almost $5,000 of condo fees, repairs, utilities, and insurance that would be a nice deduction if treated as investment expense.

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        #4
        Administrative expenses

        A trust can deduct any and all expenses to protect and preserve an asset as administrative expenses not subject to the 2%. This includes all maintenance and utilities. And painting prior to a sale is 100% allowed as a sale expense. I think you are making it too difficult.
        AJ, EA

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          #5
          No income.

          If trust terminated in year of sale, it had no income, since capital gain or loss has to be distributed along with everything else. I'd still be inclined to capitalize the expenses.
          Evan Appelman, EA

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