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    Suspended passive losses carried forward from previous rental of in law apartment

    Hello, First time user so excuse any protocol miscues. I cannot seem to find any information of how/where/when or even if it is possible to take passive losses from the rental of an in law apartment that was rented for a 2 years and is no longer rented. All references refer to taking suspended passive losses against taxable gains at the time of disposal to a non-related party. In this case, the apartment was rented out 2 out of 8 years a couple owned a house they had bought with an in-law apartment. Their method of disposal was simply to stop renting it and to use it for storage. They have about 10k in passive losses from previous years. Nothing was ever depreciated and they made no profit on the sale.

    If there were passive credits suspended I know that the money from that would be added to the cost basis for the dwelling but these are passive loss deductions. I don't know how- or even if- they can be applied. I keep running into the issue that the disposal was a non-taxable event and the parties to whom it was "disposed" were themselves. There is no other passive income to offset these suspended losses. Am I missing the forest from the trees here?

    I mentioned the fact that no depreciation was taken while it was used as an income producing property because this also bothers me. My understanding is that depreciation should be deducted from the basis upon the sale of the home whether or not it was taken (allowed or allowable). That is a smaller, future consideration though, my primary concern is the suspended passive loss carried to this year i.e. if it can be taken and if so, where should it appear is the relevant issue to this year's return. This is the first year I have prepared their taxes. Even more frustrating is that the entire time I have been writing this post (and an addl. 30 minutes before that) I have been on hold with the IRS and finally got an IRS "complex issues" specialist who was trying to seek a definitive answer when my phone ran out of power. Any help greatly appreciated.

    #2
    Your clients have NOT disposed of their home in a fully taxable sale. When they sell their home, they will meet that qualification.

    You can use Form 3115 to catch up on missed depreciation.

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      #3
      Originally posted by wgs View Post
      Their method of disposal was simply to stop renting it and to use it for storage. Nothing was ever depreciated and they made no profit on the sale.
      First, you have two contradicting statements. Apt was removed from rental status but converted to personal storage. That is not a sale or disposition. If there was a sale, what was sold? Also, if no depreciation was ever taken, and they have $10k of unused passive losses, does that mean rent did not cover actual expenses? Was it rented at FRV?
      Last edited by Burke; 09-25-2012, 05:25 PM.

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        #4
        Good catch, Burke. If it was not rented with a profit motive, they will NOT have any losses to suspend. Ask them to explain the method they used to determine the rent they charged.

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          #5
          Suspended losses

          The in law apt was not disposed of. It was removed from service. The suspended losses stay suspended until either the taxpayers income drops below $150,000, in which case some or all of the suspended losses can be claimed or they sell the property. The depreciation can be corrected on amended returns for 2008 (if on extension), 2009,2010,and 2011. Or file form 3115 at anytime before the tax return that shows the sale is filed.

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            #6
            OP states it was rented for 2 yrs, and they have $10K in suspended losses with no depreciation taken. Duh? I am suspecting these losses must not be from this activity, or something surely is awry here regarding any rental for profit.

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              #7
              If these losses are supposed to be from renting the space for two years, a $10,000 loss and no depreciation throws a profit motive out the window. But it gets worse.

              Unless there is another side to this story, they did not charge fair market rent. That means not only are the losses gone, it also means they must claim 100% of the rent received but they can deduct 0% of their expenses. Instead of taking income down to zero, they're going to have to amend their returns to remove all rental expenses from Schedule E.

              New client?

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