Many people take out a life insurance policy upon a relative such as an aunt or uncle and pay the premiums for years with the expectation that the insured will die eventually and they will collect the life insurance proceeds. The problem is that such life insurance proceeds are taxable or at least the gain is taxable. The second problem is that of determing the cost or premiums paid over the years. This gain is NOT a capital gain but is ordinary income. See Revenue Ruling 2009-13.
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Most companies would not issue such a policy unless there is an insurable interest. In other words, what economic loss would the purchaser suffer upon the insured's death? Of course, one could purchase such a policy already in existence by paying the CSV or other negotiated amount to the insured, in exchange for being named owner and beneficiary. You said many people do this, but in my experience, it is generally rare. In addition, Revenue Ruling 2009-13 rules on the surrender, redemption or maturity of contracts, not the payout as death benefits. There are some companies who deal in these, called viaticals. In the case of payout at death, the death benefit would be tax-free.Last edited by Burke; 09-13-2011, 10:03 AM.
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No different than immediate family?
Burke, let me see if I understand you correctly on 2009-13. The taxation is on the difference between the cash surrender value and the invested premiums, and NOT on the entire proceeds, right? And it is ordinary income, as Dyne says.
If this be true, I see no difference between this and a policy on one's spouse. Except for the timing. In the latter case, as soon as the accumulated cash value exceeds the invested premiums, the policy holder receives a 1099-INT for the difference every year. Since he is paying tax on the excess accumulation every year, his "basis" in the policy becomes the new cash value. There is no tax upon death because he has already been taxed on the accumulated gain. And it is ordinary income.
Just like the guy in Dyne's post, assuming he has an insurable interest. Except this guy does not incur income every year, he waits until death and pays on the entire accumulated difference.
Do I have this interpreted right? or have I done a poor job in explanation...
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I recall that many of these people had life insurance policies on SEVERAL relatives which made me think of the lottery. I do not know if they purchased the life insuance policy directly from the life insurance company or possibly from the original owner of the policy. In doing further research I found websites which said that such life insurance proceeds should be reported on lines 16a and 16b of page 1 of the tax return as ordinary income. Another website said that under some conditions the proceeds could be considered to be long term capital gains.
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Originally posted by Nashville View PostBurke, let me see if I understand you correctly on 2009-13. The taxation is on the difference between the cash surrender value and the invested premiums, and NOT on the entire proceeds, right? And it is ordinary income, as Dyne says.
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Originally posted by dyne View PostIn my experience going back many years and listing personal living expenses of taxpayers I encountered many people who were paying weekly to an insurance collector upon a life insurance policy for a relative. It may not be as common now.
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Originally posted by Nashville;In the latter case, as soon as the accumulated cash value exceeds the invested premiums, the policy holder receives a 1099-INT for the difference every year. Since he is paying tax on the excess accumulation every year, his "basis" in the policy becomes the new cash value. There is no tax upon death because he has already been taxed on the accumulated gain. And it is ordinary income....Last edited by Burke; 09-13-2011, 12:59 PM.
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Industrial Policies
These were the old "industrial" policies. In terms of today's economy, they would be considered an incredible dinosaur. Insurance agents would drive into milltown and factory tenements to collect as little as $1.50 per week or maybe $4.00 per month or even less. Some of them were even robbed before they got outa there. The eventual proceeds were usually just barely enough to bury the policyholder.
With a structure such as the above, the price of the policy had to be high enough to accommodate not only the cost of coverage but also the concomitant costs of administration and collection, which far exceeded the sinking fund to cover burial.
As this is obviously uneconomical to survive in modern times, actually pre WWII almost all life insurance was carried on these industrial policies. In fact, in Nashville, industrial policies were the lifeblood of two life insurance company giants, National Life and Life & Casualty, who competed for the tallest buildings in town and massive financial holdings. National Life actually owned the "Grand Ole Opry" and the radio station and everything that came with it. Both of these companies are now absorbed into the huge American General out of Houston which staged hostile takeovers in the 1980s.
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Whole life policy?
Originally posted by Nashville View PostBurke, let me see if I understand you correctly on 2009-13. The taxation is on the difference between the cash surrender value and the invested premiums, and NOT on the entire proceeds, right?"A man that holds a cat by the tail learns something he can learn no other way." - Mark Twain
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Rare, but it happens, maybe more often in business situations. And in those cases, there well may be taxable income even on the death of the insured. Give Revenue Ruling 2009-14 a thorough reading to see cases in which the purchase of an existing term insurance policy from the original owner where there is no insurable interest constitutes an action for profit, and it incurs taxable ordinary income when proceeds are paid at death, as well as capital gain treatment to the seller upon the sale. Perhaps this is what you were thinking of.
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