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  • BOB W
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2005
    • 4061

    #1

    Beer and Wine License

    I have a client that applied for a Beer & Wine license. How do I handle that cost? Expense or what?

    This is an existing business that is expanding services to include Beer & Wine.
    Last edited by BOB W; 05-12-2010, 02:05 PM.
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  • jimmcg
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2005
    • 633

    #2
    Have always handled purchase of beer and wine license as purchase of Sec 197 amortizable intangible.

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    • BOB W
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2005
      • 4061

      #3
      Originally posted by jimmcg
      Have always handled purchase of beer and wine license as purchase of Sec 197 amortizable intangible.
      OK. Over what time period and what about renewals going forward?
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      • ChEAr$
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2005
        • 3872

        #4
        I don't see the licensing fee (it's not a 'purchase' by the way) as an intangible to be
        amortized, but rather an ordinary expense and put it in "taxes and licenses".

        Remember one of the principles of accounting is materiality.
        ChEAr$,
        Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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        • BOB W
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2005
          • 4061

          #5
          Thanks for the feed back... Maybe I'll wait for another responder to get another opinion. I'm not sure which way to go, as you can see.................Did I mention that this is the Application for a license?
          Last edited by BOB W; 05-12-2010, 02:48 PM.
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          • BHoffman
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2008
            • 1768

            #6
            I also expense this under "License and Permit Fees"

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            • Uncle Sam
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2006
              • 1462

              #7
              Beer & Wine License

              How long is the license period for?
              When's the next renewal period?
              Uncle Sam, CPA, EA. ARA, NTPI Fellow

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              • abctax
                Member
                • Jan 2009
                • 95

                #8
                Page 5-11 TTB (for Sole Proprietorships - but s/b applicable to all entities).
                Some licenses, such as liquor licenses, may have to be amortized. See Pub 535.

                As to materiality, I have one client who paid $ 30,000 for the license, 35 years ago. The annual renewal, I deduct. It currently could be sold for $ 85,000. What dollar amount are you dealing with?
                Last edited by abctax; 05-12-2010, 03:09 PM.

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                • BOB W
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 4061

                  #9
                  Originally posted by abctax
                  Page 5-11 TTB (for Sole Proprietorships - but s/b applicable to all entities).
                  Some licenses, such as liquor licenses, may have to be amortized. See Pub 535.

                  As to materiality, I have one client who paid $ 30,000 for the license, 35 years ago. The annual renewal, I deducte. It currently could be sold for $ 85,000. What dollar amount are you dealing with?
                  $1,250.................
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                  • JohnH
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 5339

                    #10
                    I'd expense it.
                    "The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectful" - John Kenneth Galbraith

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                    • BOB W
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2005
                      • 4061

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Uncle Sam
                      How long is the license period for?
                      When's the next renewal period?
                      I don't know, but it is in NY.
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                      • Uncle Sam
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2006
                        • 1462

                        #12
                        Beer/Wine License

                        I would find out how long it's for.

                        I have a liquor store client whose state liquor license fee is between $ 1500-2000 for 3 years.
                        I amortize it straight line.
                        Uncle Sam, CPA, EA. ARA, NTPI Fellow

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                        • newbie
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 333

                          #13
                          Is he "buying" it from the former owner or is he applying to the state and federal for the license and paying the annual fee?

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                          • S T
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2005
                            • 5053

                            #14
                            Client

                            I have a client that part of the purchase cost was allocated to Beer/Wine License and that was amortized - it was sizeable in cost i.e. something like $ 30,000 - A renewal fee each year thereafter which is usually less than $ 1,500

                            Then I have had clients that go to ABC and make their application and pay the fee which is usually under $ 3,000 for one year and those I expense.

                            Sandy

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                            • BOB W
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2005
                              • 4061

                              #15
                              Originally posted by newbie
                              Is he "buying" it from the former owner or is he applying to the state and federal for the license and paying the annual fee?
                              He is not buying it from a seller. He started a business early 2009 and now he is adding Beer & Wine as an additional offering.

                              I went ahead and expensed it as it was a small amount.
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