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    Depreciation on purchase of computer for charity

    I had a client ask if he can deduct the cost of a new computer because he does volunteer work with it for his congregation. This is a good "Did You Know." This is the answer I gave to him:

    "Out-of-pocket expenses are not the same as deducting ordinary and necessary business expenses for your job. Ordinary and necessary business expenses include the cost of depreciation on capital assets used in your business. Out-of-pocket expenses for charity, on the other hand, do not include depreciation on capital assets used to do volunteer work. This rule is made clear in IRS Publication 526, page 5, where in regards to using your car for charity, it says “you cannot deduct…depreciation…” Thus, the cost of gas and oil, or the standard mileage rate for using your car for charity volunteer work is deductible, but not the cost of depreciation on that car. Likewise, the cost of buying paper, toner for your printer, or other incidental supplies for doing volunteer work for your congregation is deductible, but not the cost of depreciating your computer."

    I bring this up because I have seen other tax preparers deduct the cost of buying a computer for charity work as a charitable contribution, which is wrong. Another mistake tax preparers make is only take 50% of the cost of meals for charity. 100% of the cost of reasonable meals is deductible for volunteer charity work. The reason is the 50% limit is a limitation on deductible business expenses under Section 274(n). That code section does not apply to out-of-pocket charitable expenses.

    #2
    Bees, thank you so much for posting, Sure good to know.

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      #3
      Thanks for the heads up

      I remember a former client was furious with me because I would not deduct the value of his labor for some volunteer work he did at a shelter.

      You know, a lot of people ask stuff like that, you explain why they can't do it, they say, "Oh, I see," and you move forward. This guy just would not take no for an answer. Did I mention he is a former client?
      If you loan someone $20 and never see them again, it was probably worth it.

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        #4
        Tax Tip of the week from NATP on May 9, 2002 is framed on my desk.

        Highlighted is "Your time is not deductible, no matter how much time you spend or what your time is normally worth."

        Self Employed clients in particular feel they should be allowed to deduct their time.
        http://www.viagrabelgiquefr.com/

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          #5
          My Reply

          is "You can deduct the time if you want to declare the income" that makes sense to most people.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Jesse View Post
            Tax Tip of the week from NATP on May 9, 2002 is framed on my desk.

            Highlighted is "Your time is not deductible, no matter how much time you spend or what your time is normally worth."

            Self Employed clients in particular feel they should be allowed to deduct their time.
            Yeah, the hair dresser's do-overs come to mind.

            Just finished one who thought she could deduct the value of gift certificates she gave out.

            Me: The supplies you used are in "supplies," right? Ohhh...

            They're fun though, huh? Always smiling...
            If you loan someone $20 and never see them again, it was probably worth it.

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              #7
              Originally posted by RCooper View Post
              I remember a former client was furious with me because I would not deduct the value of his labor for some volunteer work he did at a shelter.

              You know, a lot of people ask stuff like that, you explain why they can't do it, they say, "Oh, I see," and you move forward. This guy just would not take no for an answer. Did I mention he is a former client?

              Had one of those too. He even brought in letters from the pastor putting a dollar value on his labor. I tried to compare it to me doing tax work for a non-profit but nothing soaked in. He finally moved on. Perhaps he found someone willing to give him the dedcution.
              In other words, a democratic government is the only one in which those who vote for a tax can escape the obligation to pay it.
              Alexis de Tocqueville

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                #8
                Tell 'em they don't get a tax deduction, but they do get credit for a contribution to their "Eternal 401(k)". The payout is entirely tax-free and it won't drop in value when the stock market goes down.
                "The only function of economic forecasting is to make astrology look respectful" - John Kenneth Galbraith

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by JohnH View Post
                  Tell 'em they don't get a tax deduction, but they do get credit for a contribution to their "Eternal 401(k)". The payout is entirely tax-free and it won't drop in value when the stock market goes down.
                  I like it! Similar to pre-paid lumber for their future home.
                  If you loan someone $20 and never see them again, it was probably worth it.

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                    #10
                    I know of a case where it WAS deducted.

                    Originally posted by Jesse View Post
                    Tax Tip of the week from NATP on May 9, 2002 is framed on my desk. Highlighted is "Your time is not deductible, no matter how much time you spend or what your time is normally worth." Self Employed clients in particular feel they should be allowed to deduct their time.
                    Long ago (early '60s maybe), a bib-overall farmer would bring his "books" (as he put it) to Dad's office. Laboriously pencil-printed on grade-school primer paper, the list read:

                    In Com

                    Mad Beans, Wheet, Cotton - $X

                    Out Go

                    Seed - $X
                    Fert - $X
                    Laber - $X

                    and so. This was before the day of 1099s but when that day arrived -- asked "Who's this (labor Pop had deducted the past ten years)?" -- he replied "That's me!"

                    Told "You can't do that;" no amount of reasoned explanations could overcome his unassailable logic: "Dunno why not! Hired hands cost twicet that and I ain't no slouch. You sayin' my work ain't worth as much as anybody else?"

                    P.S. If there are any IRS folks lurking, everybody's dead and the estate consisted of six pigs and a '53 Ford pickup.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Black Bart View Post

                      Told "You can't do that;" no amount of reasoned explanations could overcome his unassailable logic: "Dunno why not! Hired hands cost twicet that and I ain't no slouch. You sayin' my work ain't worth as much as anybody else?"
                      Using his logic I think I can claim a loss this year!
                      http://www.viagrabelgiquefr.com/

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