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  • John of PA
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2005
    • 1104

    #1

    TRUE or FALSE??

    A taxpayer can claim his girlfriend as a dependent, AND file as Head of Household, even though she is not related to him. She is 24 and has no earnings, and lived the entire year with him, and has never been married.
  • Harvey Lucas
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2006
    • 217

    #2
    True if....

    I say true..if GF qualifies as a "qualifiing relative"...ie..lives in his home for entire year...he provides over 50% of support...she has less than $3200 of gross income...if all that is true, then he is H of H and he can claim GF as dependent.

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    • pmedders
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2005
      • 107

      #3
      False -

      Client can claim girlfriend as dependent, but not file as HOH. See TB 3-13. Can not file HOH if taxpayer paid over half the cost of keeping up home in which the taxpayer lived but the person is a qualifying relative only because he or she lived with taxpayer for all of 2005.
      peggysioux

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      • Unregistered

        #4
        False

        Dependent exemption yes, HOH no - she is not a qualifying relative

        Profit

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        • jainen
          Banned
          • Jul 2005
          • 2215

          #5
          False

          False on both counts. There is no indication at all that he either supported her or paid over half the costs of keeping up the home.

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          • Bees Knees
            Senior Member
            • May 2005
            • 5456

            #6
            Originally posted by John of PA
            A taxpayer can claim his girlfriend as a dependent, AND file as Head of Household, even though she is not related to him. She is 24 and has no earnings, and lived the entire year with him, and has never been married.
            Assuming he provided over 50% of her support and she lived with him the entire year and she is not a qualifying child of another taxpayer and her income is less than $3,200, and their relationship is not in violation of local law, then YES, she is his dependent.

            But despite what QF says in Tab 4, she CANNOT qualify him for HOH if she is not his daughter, stepchild, foster child, sister, stepsister, granddaughter, or niece, etc.

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            • John of PA
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2005
              • 1104

              #7
              Thank You

              Thank you so much all of you. Sounds like bottom line is if she's not related, she cannot be used to justify HofH. There was a time when questions like this were simple. Best wishes to all.

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              • John of PA
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2005
                • 1104

                #8
                One other point

                thanks again that was helpful. Client has been fighting me on this because he ran the scenario through Turbo Tax software and said Turbo Tax said he can file HofH. Thats a whole different discussion for after April 15th. Funny my software is made by the same company (Intuit/Lacerte). Thanks again.

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                • jainen
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2005
                  • 2215

                  #9
                  claim Head of Household

                  >>Turbo Tax said he can file HofH<<

                  I use Proseries and Lacerte, both made by Intuit, and either one would allow Head of Household for this client. I could even do the return by hand, and still claim Head of Household!

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                  • Koss
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2005
                    • 2256

                    #10
                    Defective software?

                    Originally posted by jainen

                    I use Proseries and Lacerte, both made by Intuit, and either one would allow Head of Household for this client. I could even do the return by hand, and still claim Head of Household!
                    That's pretty disturbing. In spite of all the complexity and disagreement over UDC, everyone--including Jainen and me--agrees on this one. Yes to the dependent, but no to HoH for a qualifying relative that has no blood or legal relationship.

                    The algorithm isn't that complicated. If Intuit got it wrong in both the consumer and professional versions, there's going to be some major fallout over the next six to nine months as the IRS disallows the HoH filing status for those taxpayers. For consumers who used TurboTax, if the user accurately input the relationship to the dependent (i.e., none or other), and the program inaccurately allowed HoH, then Intuit may be on the hook for penalties and interest associated with this error.

                    Burton
                    Burton M. Koss
                    koss@usakoss.net

                    ____________________________________
                    The map is not the territory...
                    and the instruction book is not the process.

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                    • jainen
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 2215

                      #11
                      Bummer

                      >>accurately input the relationship <<

                      You mean I can't just let the software make all the decisions? Bummer.

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                      • jainen
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2005
                        • 2215

                        #12
                        I did NOT

                        >>everyone--including Jainen and me--agrees on this one<<

                        I did NOT agree. Based on the information in the original post, which is all we have, I don't see any way he can claim the girlfriend. Check my post.

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                        • BOB W
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2005
                          • 4061

                          #13
                          Hoh

                          My program (CS) does not make an the election based on dependents claimed with special coding of those dependents. I have to make that choice before I enter dependent info. I have no experience with consumer programs related to the question/answer portion of those programs.

                          Are you saying that a diagostics report will pose an error message on this issue?
                          This post is for discussion purposes only and should be verified with other sources before actual use.

                          Many times I post additional info on the post, Click on "message board" for updated content.

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                          • Koss
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2005
                            • 2256

                            #14
                            Dependent

                            Originally posted by jainen
                            >>everyone--including Jainen and me--agrees on this one<<

                            I did NOT agree. Based on the information in the original post, which is all we have, I don't see any way he can claim the girlfriend. Check my post.
                            Okay, I made an assumption that you did not make.

                            I think you will agree that if the guy provided more than half of her support, then he can claim his girlfriend as a dependent under the qualifying relative rules. The original post did not say this, but it did say that she had no income. If I was interviewing the client, I would have asked the support question. Here on the board, dealing with hypothetical clients, I think it was a reasonable inference.

                            Burton
                            Burton M. Koss
                            koss@usakoss.net

                            ____________________________________
                            The map is not the territory...
                            and the instruction book is not the process.

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                            • jainen
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2005
                              • 2215

                              #15
                              a reasonable inference

                              >>a reasonable inference<<

                              Certainly, but I just couldn't pass up such an open opportunity to be persnickety. Not only did John of PA leave out any mention of support or household costs or other household members, he did not even state that the girlfriend had no income.

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